Omniversal Battlefield Wiki Explore. Profile Formats. Character Profiles Physiology Pages. Vehicle Pages. Location Pages. Explore Wikis Community Central. Register Don't have an account? Alvis Xenoblade Chronicles. View source. History Talk 0. Universal Conquest Wiki. This world is stagnant. You and not only you try to explain and understand Xenoblade with your typical western sci-fi mindset, this is wrong.
I seriously don't understand what you are getting at here. Can't be known by reasoning or understanding, but only by escaping fate? How do you know that? Is it some gnostic thing? Please explain. He is not the Monad described in gnosticism, since he is not really omnipotent or omniscient. He was originally a computer program, and can in many ways be described as one. I remind you that "monad" is also a term in computer programming which functions similarly to how Shulk changes the future or the code.
Alvis is also compelled to obey Zanza, and later Shulk. It's similar to how a computer obeys the one who does inputs. You see, Xenoblade doesn't just take inspiration from gnosticism, it takes inspiration from many other fields as well. ScaldedBeaver posted Yes this is part of Gnosticism In Xenoblade you have two Universes the pre Alvisian and the Alvisian Universe In the pre Alvisian Universe, Alvis was mere administrative computer so basically he was before the beginning and then after Klaus started his experiment the new Universe was created by Alvis and Alvis was the beginning , because he was responsible for creation of this new Universe, Klaus escaped his fate and he became Zanza one of two principal demiurge or lesser gods responsible for creation in this new Alvisian Universe, yet Alvis was unknown for everyone except for Zanza and Maynus represented by the both Monado and then Shulk by escaping fate basically when party is responsible for creation of 3rd Monado in Platonism and gnosticism as highly syncretic religion drew heavily from Platonism the fate is subordinate to Providence.
It's important to note that Xenoblade drew extensively from Platonism for example the Spirits of Gadolt, Mumkar, Telethia, Xord are placed in astral sphere and positions exactly what demiurge did. The Monad or The One is not only omnipotent or omniscient he is the only real existence and as Alvis he lack any moral attributes, so basically whoever escape fate and create his own Monado can create his own morality.
User Info: M-Watcher. Ever heard of the concept of "creative liberties"? Because I'm pretty sure both the development team and the translation teams took a lot of creative liberties when it comes to story and naming.
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General 2 Answers How do I beat solidum, telethia assassin in the tomb? Ask A Question. Browse More Questions. Keep me logged in on this device. Forgot your username or password? Why is he Zanza's disciple? Is it because Zanza controlled him from the very beginning he ordered him to recreate the universe and all that?
If so, then why does he suddenly start supporting Shulk? He says that their visions are fluctuations in the ether, and that the Monado exists to disrupt the ether, and therefore change the future. When the party reaches Sword Valley , Alvis leaves the group to return to Alcamoth with Dickson , to help Kallian with the assembly of the allied force, and to resume his duties as seer.
He tells Kallian he has a bad feeling, as the Mechon are neither attacking nor defending. He then realizes that Shulk and the rest of the party are in danger, and asks permission to pilot a Havres to find them, warning Kallian that Mechonis is awakening.
He flies to the Machina , and warns Miqol and Linada that Shulk is in danger, allowing them to fly Junks to catch the party just as they fall from Mechonis.
Alvis remains with the party as a guest until Mechonis Core , where he stays behind with Dickson as the party goes to confront Egil. Alvis appears in a flare of light and tells Shulk that nobody else can decide that Shulk's life was pointless other than Shulk himself. He then tells Shulk more about Meyneth and Zanza — that they both need to use a being that they had created as a physical host, and that the world was created solely so that they could exist.
However, now Zanza feels the mortals are a risk, as they are beginning to exist outside the passage of fate, and must be destroyed. He goes on to say that Shulk can walk his own path, and defy fate.
Shulk returns to the physical realm, to save the others from the Telethia's assault on Colony 6. Once Dickson's Sureny Telethia has been defeated, Dickson calls out to Alvis, revealing him to be one of Zanza's disciples and presumably a traitor.
The party expresses shock and distress at this announcement; however, Alvis remains silent as he walks to join Dickson. Shulk calmly responds to Reyn's shouting, letting Alvis walk away. He sends the Sani Telethia to fight the party. When it is defeated, Alvis asks Shulk if the world belongs to him or Zanza. He and Dickson then jump onto the backs of two Licorne-type Telethia, and retreat.
After leaving Prison Island for the last time, the party finds themselves in space. Once they see Earth, Shulk hears Alvis saying that soon he must make a choice, and that he cannot wait to see which path Shulk will choose. Shulk recognizes the voice, but cannot see him. The other party members cannot hear him. As Zanza begins to lose his battle with Shulk, Alvis' disembodied voice turns up again, telling him even gods are restricted to the limited power determined by providence.
As he says this, beams of light connect the three Monados Zanza's, Meyneth's and Shulk's , and Zanza recognises the voice, expressing rage at Alvis for disobeying him. Alvis ignores him, asking Shulk again whether the world belongs to him or Zanza. After Zanza is defeated, Shulk finds himself close to Earth, viewing a satellite.
A green star-shaped entity appears beside him, speaking with Alvis' voice, and tells Shulk that this is his home. They watch as, in the past, Klaus and his associate whose name Galea is revealed in Xenoblade Chronicles 2 accidentally destroy their universe, and are reborn as Bionis and Mechonis in the new one. He reveals that Shulk has become a new god, and explains his true identity: the administrative computer of a phase transition experiment facility where Klaus' experiment took place.
He goes on to point out that the world is falling apart, and asks Shulk, as its god, what he wishes to do with it. Shulk is unsure, so Alvis recreates the other party members' personalities from Shulk's consciousness to help him decide. Shulk says that the decision belongs to every living being, and allows Alvis to create a world without gods. The three Monados fuse together in a great burst of energy, and the planet reforms itself around Bionis as the rest of the universe is also recreated.
Alvis is last seen in a flashback scene, standing in his Homs form, where he says his final words to the party; "Shulk.
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